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Lindsey Graham and Rudy Giuliani subpoenaed in Georgia probe of Trump election schemes

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/lindsey-graham-rudy-giuliani-subpoenaed-b2116422.html
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u/alicen_chains America Jul 05 '22 Helpful

In addition to Mr Graham and Mr Giuliani, the Atlanta Journal-Constitution reports that the 23-person special grand jury has also moved to compel attorneys John Eastman, Cleta Mitchell, Kenneth Chesbro, and Jenna Ellis, as well lawyer and podcast host Jacki Pick Deason to give evidence in the probe of efforts by Mr Trump’s associates to pressure Georgia officials into taking illegal actions to reverse Mr Biden’s win after he became the first Democrat to carry the Peach State since then-Arkansas governor Bill Clinton defeated then-president George HW Bush in 1992.

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u/ShameNap Jul 05 '22

Finally someone who knows how to issue a subpoena.

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u/CassandraAnderson Jul 05 '22 edited Jul 05 '22

It is nice to see. Wasn't surprised by Giuliani but it makes me wonder what sort of evidence the state of Georgia has against the senator from South Carolina.

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/11/lindsey-graham-pressured-georgia-to-toss-legal-ballots.html

Graham questioned Raffensperger about the state’s signature-matching law and whether political bias could have prompted poll workers to accept ballots with nonmatching signatures, according to Raffensperger. Graham also asked whether Raffensperger had the power to toss all mail ballots in counties found to have higher rates of nonmatching signatures, Raffensperger said.

Raffensperger said he was stunned that Graham appeared to suggest that he find a way to toss legally cast ballots. Absent court intervention, Raffensperger doesn’t have the power to do what Graham suggested, as counties administer elections in Georgia.

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u/justforthearticles20 Jul 05 '22

Graham personally attempted to interfere with elections in at least 2 other states, and bragged about it. Georgia is the only state with enough remaining integrity to do anything about it.

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u/loggic Jul 05 '22 Take My Energy

Georgia's integrity here is almost certainly due to Stacey Abrams' incredibly hard-fought victory in getting Georgia to un-bork their election process. It was wildly insecure, out of date, and almost certainly corrupt. Kemp, the guy she lost her 2018 gubernatorial campaign to, was literally in charge of the election process when he won. Under Kemp, no kidding, they canceled 700,000 voter registrations in 2017 alone, around half a million of which were cancelled on a single night.

Without Abrams' work, it would've been impossible for Georgia to even have a recount. The previous system literally didn't support that. It was entirely digital (with major security issues that were widely known about by anyone who cared to look), so the only recourse was to check what the system said again.

It isn't that Georgia's election system had some remaining integrity. That integrity was fresh, locally sourced goodness from a person who forced the issue.

We really do need sweeping election reform in this country. We desperately needed it before the 2016 elections (made obvious by events in Georgia, among other places), 2020 almost sunk American democracy itself, and 2024 is gonna be a nightmare without major changes very soon.

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u/ucancallmevicky Jul 05 '22

don't forget after the 2018 election they wiped all the drives "per standard IT Procedure*"

almost 30 years in IT and this is not now nor has it ever been standard

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u/loggic Jul 05 '22

Was it 2018 or 2016 where they got a court order to preserve documents and then degaussed the drives 3 times? I forget. I just remember the shocking lack of accountability for that stunt.

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u/a_corsair New Jersey Jul 05 '22

Whenever these assholes try cover up their criminality by wiping drives, it's always "yeah that's standard IT procedure" yeah, fuck off, standard procedure is retention

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u/Donald-Pump Wyoming Jul 05 '22

Standard procedure is to put it on the shelf to e-cycle it with all the other decommissioned stuff I have until the shelf gets too full and I have to actually do something with it. Then I'll probably just find a bigger shelf.

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u/LukesRightHandMan Jul 06 '22

Shit, with this Supreme Court and Moore v. Harper, you're gonna need a bigger shelf.

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u/AggroDorfHeroicDeath Jul 05 '22

Stacey Abrams for president!

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u/enhanced195 Jul 06 '22

Shes a true american hero

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u/TinyDogsRule Jul 06 '22

Lots of changes to elections coming before 2024, just not the ones you would like. Just wait on SCOTUS to return in October and systematically destroy election integrity.

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u/PoorlyLitKiwi2 Jul 05 '22

Kemp won the election in 2018 in the same way Trump won the election in 2020. He didn't

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u/DrManhattan_DDM Florida Jul 05 '22

There’s a recording of a call he made to GA Secretary of State Raffensberger pressuring him to throw out what he called fraudulent votes, much like Trump’s call to ‘find votes’.

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u/CassandraAnderson Jul 05 '22

I ended up finding one of the old articles from the time it came out. With how many different attempts they made to overturn the election, it's hard to keep track of all of the players.

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u/wheresbill Jul 05 '22

You really can’t say they didn’t try

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u/Either-Progress4847 Jul 05 '22 Giggle

They hugely tried. Best most tremendous try anyone has ever tried before

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u/lindz1618 Jul 05 '22

The only time a statement like this isn't an outright lie or hugely exaggerated.

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u/tacojohn48 Jul 05 '22

Imagine if they had put that much effort into governing

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u/mountaintop111 Jul 05 '22

Trump put almost zero effort into covid during the few months after the election while Americans were dying of it, but put most of his effort into overturning the election.

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u/drainbead78 Ohio Jul 05 '22

The ironic thing is that if he had responded appropriately to covid instead of thinking it would solely ravage large cities with Dem voters, he'd probably be President right now.

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u/MNfan84 Jul 05 '22

That's their strategy I think, do so much shit constantly do you can't keep up and focus on a single thing

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u/BarbequedYeti Jul 05 '22

Get a few prison sentences to stick and he will quickly run out of willing participants. It was such bullshit from the beginning, he could only round up the D squad for this coup attempt. They are the only ones dumb enough to take the bait.

Get a few of those in prison for years and now he is selecting from the F squad pool of players next round. Pretty much family members. They will be all that is left.

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u/CarrotSwimming Jul 05 '22

The D squad is being generous. Those ‘lawyers’ he found crawled out of a cesspool to submit his lawsuits for him. Just look at the background of Jenna Ellis, a complete farce of a person, much less a credible litigator.

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u/limeypepino Texas Jul 05 '22

"Firehose of bullshit"

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u/dokikod Jul 05 '22

It is so awful. I wish Mark Meadows were on the subpoena list.

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u/PunxatawnyPhil Jul 05 '22

Meadows is gonna be on a subpoena list eventually, or the indictment list. Witness tampering.

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u/greenbabyshit Jul 05 '22

At this point if your being called to testify you're probably in a little bit of trouble, if you're not on the list, you're probably in a lot of trouble.

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u/cyanydeez Jul 05 '22 edited Jul 05 '22

it's hard to believe it takes this long to get momentuminertia on what they released publically.

though inertia is exactly what keeps them from moving.

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u/Raoul_Duke9 Jul 05 '22

There is a recording of the Graham call? Interesting. Didn't know that.

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u/chicago_bunny Jul 05 '22 edited Jul 05 '22

I don't think there is. Graham called Raffensberger, then denied what Raffensberger's office had to say about the substance of that call. That prompted Raffensberger's office to make a recording of the later Trump call. Source.

ETA

The Graham call happened in November 2020. Original source - WaPo article about Raffensberger, with denial from Graham. The Trump call came in early January, so Raffensberger had already been burned by the Graham call and subsequent denial by Graham.

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u/Spy_v_Spy_Freakshow Jul 05 '22

Probably the reason they started recording these calls

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u/drfarren Texas Jul 05 '22

Yeah, shit like this is why if I were an elected official I would have recording devices on EVERY verbal communication system I have AND an audio recording system in my office that runs 24/7. It wouldn't be publicly available, but in the event someone is doing something shady and I get called, I'll have recordings to exonerate myself. (I have ZERO intent on being the cliche corrupt politician).

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u/Yossarian_the_Jumper Jul 05 '22

Wonder if spineless Lindsey is willing to go to jail for trump?

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u/RC7plat Canada Jul 05 '22

Since Meadows is not on the list I think he might have beat Lindsey to it.

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u/MyRottingBrain Jul 05 '22

100% No, though he absolutely deserves it.

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u/cyanydeez Jul 05 '22 Wholesome

They were recording Trumps calls.

If you knew the sharks of corruption were circling, you'd:

  1. Record all conversations.

  2. Only release enough to demonstrate their existence and content

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u/silvereyes912 Jul 05 '22

Wonder what happened in South Carolina?

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u/[deleted] Jul 05 '22 edited Jul 05 '22

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u/silvereyes912 Jul 05 '22

It’s not even worth it, trying to keep his same sex interests under wraps. Not worth all that. Honestly, I might actually like him a bit if he just would be honest. Unless he’s hiding something worse than being gay (as that doesn’t seem like a dirty secret that needs hiding to me). If he’s a child molester, I see why he’s trying so hard to hide it. Otherwise, just not worth all that energy.

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u/UNCOMMON__CENTS Jul 05 '22

In 2016 both the DNC and RNC emails were hacked by Russia.

Only the DNC emails were released.

You don’t release the emails that are rife with kompromat, open corruption and broadly deviant language, so you can blackmail them.

You do release the DNC emails that are tame and have at worst mildly controversial, professional language to prove to the RNC that they do indeed have their emails, so don’t question it and do as we tell you.

Then you visit Russia on July 4th cause visiting a generations long authoritarian, non-Democratic adversary is totally what a non-compromised patriot does on the day of celebration of your countries democracy and freedom.

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u/dirkalict Illinois Jul 05 '22

The Traitorous Eight that took the July 4th 2018 trip. Sens. Richard C. Shelby (Ala.), Steve Daines (Mont.), John Hoeven (N.D.), John Neely Kennedy (La.), Jerry Moran (Kan.), John Thune (S.D.) and Ron Johnson (Wis), plus Rep. Kay Granger (Tex.). Then there was the trip a month later by Rand Paul (Ky) that had him hand delivering a letter from Trump directly to Putin. (Even before this John McCain claimed Rand Paul worked for Russia).

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u/MangroveWarbler Jul 05 '22

You do release the DNC emails that are tame and have at worst mildly controversial

And some of those DNC hacked emails are clearly fake. There is no way in hell that John Podesta wrote phrases like "Democrat party" and "party elites".

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u/OwnEstablishment1194 Jul 05 '22

That's a good catch

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u/aintnochallahbackgrl Michigan Jul 05 '22

Now to sit back and watch the parade of "I do not recalls."

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u/Dwarfherd Jul 05 '22

Which means they forfeit the ability to counter elements of the prosecution's story that touch on what they do not recall.

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u/ToonaSandWatch Jul 05 '22

“Fifth.”

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u/mdgraller Jul 05 '22

Rudy "I Plead the Fifth of Scotch" Giuliani

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u/BobOki Jul 05 '22

Will ghoulianni even be able to show up, what with the MASSIVE injuries he sustained just a few back. Guy can hardly breath, much less walk, having come so close to death.

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u/SmaltedFig Jul 05 '22

If he's smart, he doesn't set foot in the State, and never faces any consequences. Instead, we'll probably see him next week talking about how innocently he committed some crimes.

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u/mdgraller Jul 05 '22

"How am I supposed to remember?? I was drunk all day Jan 6th!"

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u/cusoman Minnesota Jul 05 '22

If he's smart

Imma stop you right there.

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u/RickTitus Jul 05 '22

A few weeks of rest in his crypt should patch him back up in time

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u/spoobles Massachusetts Jul 05 '22

John Eastman, Cleta Mitchell, Kenneth Chesbro, and Jenna Ellis

Trump's best and brightest, folks!

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u/SockdolagerIdea Jul 05 '22

Im not sure why this hasn’t been a bigger story, but Cleta Mitchell and Ginni Thomas, Clarence Thomas’s wife, are best friends and in cahoots together.

If you google “Ginni Thomas, Cleta Mitchell” a bunch of articles come up about it, but way before Thomas was directly linked to Meadows and Eastman.

Here is one of the better articles: https://theintercept.com/2019/06/04/ginni-thomas-trump-conservative-group/

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u/bbcversus Europe Jul 05 '22

They are not sending their best lmao.

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u/atomictyler Jul 05 '22

Sadly he is. It’s just really bad.

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u/UnitGhidorah Jul 05 '22

There's a audio tape of Trump asking them to find votes etc. How is this not a slam dunk?

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u/steno_light Jul 05 '22

Because he’s talking like a mafia boss:

I didn’t order that guy’s murder, I just asked my men to “take out the trash.” I didn’t try to get them to give me fake votes, merely “find” the “missing” ones.

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u/impulsenine Jul 05 '22

I hate this idea that this is somehow enough to not convict. Indirect orders have had consequences since Henry II wondered aloud "will no one rid me of this meddlesome priest?" In 1170 — 850 years ago.

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u/ludikr1s Jul 05 '22

I think this is one piece of evidence as part of a larger case. Once the prosecution can build a large enough case with enough to convict, hopefully they will.

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u/JacobyKnight Jul 05 '22

Hell of a sentence right there.

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u/SonderAndLament Jul 05 '22

I want to believe that there will be repercussions. I want to believe that so much.

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u/FluxxxCapacitard Jul 05 '22 Gold

Graham will not face repercussions until his cold dead corpse is found hunched over the guardrail of a popular underage gay escort meetup rest-stop he’s frequented for decades somewhere along I26 in SC.

He’s a slimy fuck. Always has been. But he’s smart enough to not get caught.

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u/wrongtester Jul 05 '22

He’s a slimy fuck. Always has been. But he’s smart enough to not get caught

to be fair, these mother fuckers get caught constantly and nothing happens anyway. To see these things happen in broad day light with no repercussions is so enraging and contributes to the whole notion of hopelessness. because if I commit a crime 1/16th the severity of theirs, id be in jail pretty darn quickly.

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u/PandaMuffin1 New York Jul 05 '22

I do as well.

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u/Eric_in_America Jul 05 '22 edited Jul 05 '22

Lindsey Graham is the type of person willing to throw anyone under the bus to save his own skin, Rudy Giuliani on the other hand, is the one getting thrown under the bus.

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u/ianrl337 Oregon Jul 05 '22

yep. He went from Trump is trash to Trump is my friend in record time. I think the only one to beat his time and power on that swing was Ted "don't insult my wife" Cruz

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u/spoobles Massachusetts Jul 05 '22

He also went from "Biden is one of the most decent men I've ever known" to "Biden is a socialist devil" in record time

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u/ianrl337 Oregon Jul 05 '22

True, but Ted still wins. From defending his wife and screaming at the Trump plane overhead, to making donation calls like a whipped puppy a week or two later.

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u/UNCOMMON__CENTS Jul 05 '22 All-Seeing Upvote Evil Cackle

It all makes sense if you understand that they believe nothing they say and even the most offensive statements from other politicians, or anyone really, isn’t taken personally.

They have law degrees and see politics as a courtroom on a national scale and they’re the lawyer trying to win the case.

The only thing they care about is convincing enough of the jury to win the case, which, for Senators, happens every 6 years.

It’s not about facts or reality and hypocrisy or not defending your spouse means nothing… unless your data tells you that pretending to care will win a few of the jury to you.

Keith Olbermann tells a story of having a conversation with Sean Hannity once where Hannity mused about how good Olbermann is at riling people up and maintaining ratings. Keith responded that he’s genuinely passionate about the issues he talks about, that the issues he discusses and words he uses are out of genuine care and concern.

Hannity, Tucker, Limbaugh, etc don’t understand the concept of sincere journalism. To them it’s all a show, just like the politicians they associate with. They think Democrats pretend to care about issues just like they do, and that everything Democrats care about is just as fake as everything they pretend to care about.

It’s why the Republican version of Jesus is the complete opposite of everything Jesus preached and why they think that it’s impossible to have morals without a fear of God. They think minorities will exploit them when they become the majority because that’s what THEY would do. They think the left would steal an election if they had the chance because that’s what THEY would do. They’re the embodiment of all the things that Jesus preached against; just like they’re everything the Founding Father’s of the U.S. feared… So of course they wrap themselves in the flag and Jesus. They’re incapable of understanding altruism and compassion.

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u/OfCourseIKnowHim Jul 05 '22

If you have Netflix (or know someone who does), and you haven’t watched The Family, check it out and you’ll get to see how that fundamentalist group’s (non)-definition of Jesus co-opted the Republican Party at large. They get to use it as a cover for all kinds of things (“we’re just talking about Jesus. what’s the problem?”), but it’s so stripped-down that it boils down to little more than successful people must have been chosen by God and therefore must be protected.

It’s really twisted.

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u/spoobles Massachusetts Jul 05 '22 edited Jul 05 '22

100%

The grovel level was off the charts. We can only assume then, that Fled Cruise also thinks his own wife is ugly, and that his Dad really did work with Oswald to kill Kennedy.

Quite the man of character, that one. /s

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u/windyorbits Jul 05 '22

I would too if I was the Zodiac killer!

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u/Chazlo55 Jul 05 '22

That is because the RU intelligence agency showed Trump the dirty Teddy files. Vlad was just looking out for his boy Donny, "Here. Show Mr. Cruise this incriminating evidence we found. See if he changes his tune".

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u/Bierfreund Jul 05 '22

Look up Ted Cruz's Iowa primary win in 2016 and how trump lied and said Cruz stole the election. A journalist should ask Cruz how the 'steal' was different from his own 'steal'

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u/CaptainDudeGuy Georgia Jul 05 '22

I remember when it was the height of humiliation when a politician would ad-lib a misquote, or spell a common word incorrectly, or just be shown to "flip-flop" on important issues too often.

These days a Republican can have the ethical consistency of warm snot and still be considered a major player. The bar is so low that myopic, blatant bigots are cheering about having representation on the ballots.

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u/Yossarian_the_Jumper Jul 05 '22

He's always been an opportunistic parasite.

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u/Jasonotg0 Jul 05 '22

I'll never forget him playing billiards on The Daily Show with Trevor Noah. Such a complete bullshit image rehab. Noah could have fucking grilled him for so much shit, instead they let him take his jacket off and be the "cool politician" as they made some shots and talked about how much they hated Trump.

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u/realkennyg Jul 05 '22

You forgot Graham first hated Trump, then rammed his nose up his a$$ after he got the nomination, then famously said, ‘enough is enough, count me out’ the day after the insurrection, only to go back and ram his nose back up Trump’s a$$. Lady Lindsey may Cancun Cruz beat!

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u/cyanydeez Jul 05 '22

I'm fairly certain we're gonna find Lindsey's kompromat in short order.

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u/jacklmoore Jul 05 '22

Giuliani crawled under the bus by himself

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u/Not_Drawn_To_Scale Jul 05 '22

Well, if you can think of an easier way to grease the bus, I'd like to hear it.

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u/atred Jul 05 '22

he was just tucking in his shirt...

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u/starserval Jul 05 '22 edited Jul 05 '22

Giulliani seems like the type to brazenly lie under oath and purgerperjure himself.

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u/ArchdukeBurrito Jul 05 '22

It's not easy to remember you're under oath when all you had for breakfast was a fifth of gin.

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u/starserval Jul 05 '22

I can’t tell if that was an intended or unintended pleading the fifth pun.

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u/NYArtFan1 Jul 05 '22

I remember Obama writing in his memoir that Lindsey Graham was "the kind of person in a spy movie that double-crosses everyone."

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u/wayward_citizen Jul 05 '22

Honestly, if he came out of the closet and just lived honestly as himself I'm willing to bet he'd be far less duplicitous.

Would still be an asshole, but you can just see the fear constantly written on his face, he's living a lie every day and that's gotta wear on your psyche when your alter ego is someone who literally wants to outlaw homosexuality.

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u/crapatthethriftstore Canada Jul 05 '22

Rudy lives under a bus.

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u/CaptainNoBoat Jul 05 '22 Gold Helpful Wholesome All-Seeing Upvote Take My Energy

For all the (perfectly reasonable) cynicism regarding Trump and accountability, here are some comforting facts regarding the Fulton DA Investigation:

  1. Fani Willis is a bad-ass, unapologetic, and has dismissed every single question implying politics would play a role in her decision.

  2. Her most recent interview (Jun. 6) implied she could reach a charging decision by "July or August" but likely closer to fall - largely based on cooperation with subpoenas. Although she expected very little compliance.

  3. The Raffensperger phone call is a prosecutor's dream. It is utterly oozing with criminal intent, something that tanked the Manhattan DA investigation with incoming Bragg choosing not to prosecute. It is also just one piece, as Trump also tried to influence the governor, the attorney general, and the secretary of state’s chief investigator - much of this evidence has not been seen by the public yet.

  4. Here is a detailed report from a group of legal experts that have come to the conclusion Trump is at "substantial risk of multiple felonies."

    These charges potentially include: criminal solicitation to commit election fraud; intentional interference with performance of election duties; conspiracy to commit election fraud; criminal solicitation; and state RICO violations. Our conclusion is based entirely on publicly available reporting and evidence, including the recording of Trump’s call to Raffensperger.

  5. Georgia is one of the few states where the governor does not have the ability to pardon. Pardons fall to the Board of Paroles and Pardons, and are only retroactive. It is also outlined in the state constitution, which takes a 2/3rds vote for the general assembly to change.

It's becoming more clear that an indictment will happen. The biggest variables left are a judge and a jury.

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u/Tabs_555 Jul 05 '22

Love the note about the pardons not being gubernatorial and only retroactive. We finally might see a real criminal charge land regardless of time served.

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u/koshgeo Jul 05 '22

Didn't Trump also directly call the Governor of one of the states as that Governor was signing the certification of the vote on camera, and the Governor didn't take the call? I don't think Georgia is an isolated problem, legally-speaking.

Edit: It was Arizona: https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-donald-trump-arizona-elections-doug-ducey-e2b8b0de5b809efcc9b1ad5d279023f4

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u/Unplugthecar I voted Jul 05 '22

Good writeup! Thanks!

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u/Easy_Humor_7949 Jul 05 '22

The biggest variables left are a judge and a jury.

Shit. Time to move back to Fulton county.

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u/Abaddon33 Georgia Jul 05 '22

The one time we all actually hope for jury duty.

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u/CT1723 Jul 05 '22

If they get RICO’d Trump will finally be like the Mob Boss’s he so wishes he was.

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u/dastufishsifutsad Jul 05 '22

He can go throw the ole pigskin around with Uncle Rico in the yard soon.

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u/dchap Jul 05 '22

How the hell do you even have an impartial jury in a trial like this? No one in America is 'on the fence' about Trump.

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u/sirhoracedarwin Jul 05 '22

Jury is a huuuuge variable.

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u/haffbaked Illinois Jul 05 '22

It's definitely me being cynical, but I can't imagine how they could get a full jury to convict Trump because of fear from his supporters trying to attack/kill them.

On top of the trouble that is getting a jury that isn't totally biased for or against him in the first place.

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u/matthewsmazes Jul 05 '22

How far we’ve come from “Give me Liberty or give me death.”

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u/adjunct_trash Jul 05 '22 Helpful

Get Lindsey his fainting couch, accountability brings on the vapors!

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u/GSXRbroinflipflops New Jersey Jul 05 '22

I do declare.

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u/SuckItHiveMind Jul 05 '22

“These muggy November subpoenas give me The Horribles!”

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u/Obel817 Jul 05 '22

Might have to give room service a jangle and have them bring up some Étouffée

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u/tovarish22 Minnesota Jul 05 '22

I need a window seat, because this flower is wilting.

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u/140over333 Jul 05 '22

King of the Hill = classic

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u/DipThatChip Jul 05 '22

I’m more familiar with sinners than saints...and sinners always look good

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u/sois Jul 05 '22

This here is heresy, not heresay. A gentleman must learn the difference.

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u/Dawalkingdude Illinois Jul 05 '22

Senator Graham, would you please describe your relationship to President Trump.

Graham: He was a beautiful man. I knew him...briefly.

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u/Smunny Jul 05 '22

How long have you been sitting there?

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u/mynumberistwentynine Jul 05 '22

...Thiiirty-fiiive years.

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u/tatems Canada Jul 05 '22

‘… that senator ain’t right’

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u/goosewithmayonaise Jul 05 '22

He'll be on Tucker or Hannity soon enough to speak to why this is a Democrat which hunt.

Congratulations on reselecting this ghoul to represent you, Georgia.

....Oh... wait, he's from South Carolina?? /s Congrats on the inter-state representation I guess. Hope there isn't any pressing matters your State needs...

I sure would be pissed if my State was falling apart but one of my two Senators was wasting their time trying to overturn the results for a State they don't even represent.

Eat your heart out, South Carolina. Apparently you have no other pressing matters that the federal government could help with since your Senator doesn't seem to be working for his constituents.

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u/Beneathaclearbluesky Jul 05 '22

Uh, don't Republicans run Georgia?

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u/woger723 New York Jul 05 '22

Republicans have the house, senate, and governor in GA... their senators in DC are Democrats.

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u/jerfoo Jul 05 '22

This comment is just too priceless.

I can't stop thinking of Lindsey with the back of his hand pressed to his forehead, swaying around with weak legs as his "interns" quickly try to get a couch under the Senator.

..."fainting couch"... I'm crying laughing.

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u/lenzflare Canada Jul 05 '22

Lindsey "I want off this ride" Graham got back on the ride real quick.

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u/darkhorsehance Jul 05 '22

The Fulton County, Georgia grand jury investigating former president Donald Trump’s attempts to overturn Joe Biden’s 2020 election victory has issued subpoenas to South Carolina Senator Lindsey Graham, former Trump attorney Rudolph Giuliani, and several other attorneys who played roles in Mr Trump’s scheme.

In addition to Mr Graham and Mr Giuliani, the Atlanta Journal-Constitution reports that the 23-person special grand jury has also moved to compel attorneys John Eastman, Cleta Mitchell, Kenneth Chesbro, and Jenna Ellis, as well lawyer and podcast host Jacki Pick Deason to give evidence in the probe of efforts by Mr Trump’s associates to pressure Georgia officials into taking illegal actions to reverse Mr Biden’s win after he became the first Democrat to carry the Peach State since then-Arkansas governor Bill Clinton defeated then-president George HW Bush in 1992.

The grand jury is looking into whether Mr Trump or any of his GOP allies violated Georgia laws by attempting to push Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger and Governor Brian Kemp to refuse to certify Mr Biden’s win, or by advocating for Georgia legislators to illegally ignore the will of voters by appointing pro-Trump electors who would have then voted for Mr Trump when the US electoral college met on 14 December 2020.

One subpoena recipient, Mr Eastman, has also been the subject of the year-long investigation conducted by the House January 6 select committee, which found that the former Chapman University law professor pressured then-vice president Mike Pence to violate the law by unilaterally disregarding electoral votes from swing states won by Mr Biden during the 6 January 2021 session at which Congress certified his electoral college win over Mr Trump.

Earlier this year, a California federal judge found that Mr Eastman and Mr Trump “more likely than not ... dishonestly conspired to obstruct” that joint session, which was briefly suspended when a riotous mob of Mr Trump’s supporters stormed the Capitol in what was the worst attack on America’s legislature since Major General Robert Ross ordered British troops to set it ablaze during the War of 1812.

More follows...

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u/HauntedCemetery Minnesota Jul 05 '22

How fucking wild would it be to get called for jury duty and end up on this grand jury? I hope every one of these 23 people have security hanging outside their homes. They will definitely be targeted by white supremacist militia.

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u/marchillo Jul 05 '22

There is no good reason for a senator to be calling election officials in another state

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u/Keudn883 Jul 05 '22

I wonder what call prompted them to start recording conversations. At some point someone realized that if anyone decided to interfere with the election in Georgia they would need something to save their own ass.

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u/CT1723 Jul 05 '22 edited Jul 05 '22

Supposedly Graham called first in November, then denied it. Trumps call was later, in Jan, and that was recorded

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u/[deleted] Jul 05 '22

They’re all trying to blackmail each other.

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u/Tamanduas Jul 05 '22

Can't wait to see rudy try and fart his way out of this.

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u/alicen_chains America Jul 05 '22 Table Slap

I thought Rudy was dead after that slap last week.

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u/spoobles Massachusetts Jul 05 '22

I know. The level of violence he withstood makes him almost superhuman.

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u/Milsivich Jul 05 '22

You saw that the nearby people were nearly blown off their feet from the shockwave of the blast? Thoughts and prayers

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u/abigailxo94 Jul 05 '22

He's still recovering. I expect he'll show up in a full neck and back brace.

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u/IExtremelyNeedCoffee Jul 05 '22

Don't you need holy water for ghouls?

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u/Keudn883 Jul 05 '22

Just a slight pat on the back will severely wound a ghoul.

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u/justabill71 Jul 05 '22

I'd bet a little shit came out, at least.

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u/HouseCravenRaw Colorado Jul 05 '22

That's just his hair leaking again.

Not saying it isn't shit, however.

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u/alicen_chains America Jul 05 '22

reverberated shit.

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u/MrMaile Jul 05 '22

He survived the initial hit, but suffered long term effects, I’m not sure if he will ever be able to walk again…. Very sad indeed…

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u/spautrievas Jul 05 '22

Today sucks a little bit less because of this news.

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u/Beautiful_Fly1672 Jul 05 '22

I can’t wait to see this.

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u/Currymvp2 Jul 05 '22

Kemp and Raffensperger won their primaries and now this. Georgia giving L's to Trump.

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u/robywar Jul 05 '22

Somehow, deep down, Republicans in GA knew that a MAGA dude would just hand the office to Stacy. They had to play "moderate" in their new purple state to keep down the opposition. Of course, Kemp cheated to win the first time by refusing to leave his role as Sec of State and continued to run his own election closing polls in heavily democratic areas and purging voter rolls, so hopefully Abrahams can overwhelm their efforts again anyway.

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u/CT1723 Jul 05 '22

She’s a bad ass, and actually seems like she’s gives a shit about her constituents

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u/HauntedCemetery Minnesota Jul 05 '22

She's spent the last 30 years creating grassroots coalition to try to increase the standard of life in her home state. She definitely gives every shit she has to give, and then spends the rest of her time getting others to do the same. She should be an example to us all.

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u/ConfidenceNational37 Jul 05 '22 edited Jul 05 '22

Opening arguments podcast does a great job explaining the crimes trump and his goon squad committed.

They even straw steel man the what if trump really thought he won argument and why it shouldnt work

https://openargs.com/oa455-trump-is-going-to-prison-in-georgia/

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u/Corsaer Jul 05 '22

Do you mean "steel man" (or "steel bot"), as opposed to straw man? They usually try to give the best good faith representation of an opposing argument, which I think is what you're referencing.

Definitely second the recommendation for the podcast though!

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u/fillinthe___ Jul 05 '22

Get ready for a TON of “I don’t recall.”

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u/le_fromage_puant Jul 05 '22

Also “on advice of counsel, I exercise my right to plead the Fifth”

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u/table_fireplace Jul 05 '22 edited Jul 05 '22 Silver Coin Gift

It needs to be said again: State and local Dems get shit done. This is why we vote!

Demcratic DAs in Fulton County issuing subpoenas.

Democratic State Legislatures passing bills to protect abortion rights.

Democratic County Prosecutors refusing to enforce abortion bans.

Democratic State Supreme Courts ruling in favor of non-gerrymandered maps.

Democratic Governors protecting our rights from extreme Legislatures (especially in Wisconsin and Pennsylvania).

This November, show up and vote for state and local Democrats. (And send a few more anti-filibuster Senators to Washington while you're at it!)

If you're ready to win these critical races, join r/VoteDEM and get set up to volunteer!

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u/SpicyJw Colorado Jul 05 '22

This comment needs to be closer to the top. Go and VOTE this Nov!

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u/doowgad1 Jul 05 '22

As a New Yorker who had to watch Rudy unleash the cops on dangerous 'squeegee men' I look forward to seeing him on the stand, sweating hair dye and blubbering like a baby

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u/ghostalker4742 Jul 05 '22

I'm glad the veneer of "America's Mayor" has finally worn off and everyone can see what a giant piece of shit he is always has been.

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u/Dirty_Old_Town Kentucky Jul 05 '22

An alcoholic with a TBI who shits and steps in it every time he turns around.

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u/mothershipq Kentucky Jul 05 '22

sweating hair dye and blubbering like a baby

Slurring like a drunken baby*.

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u/Yossarian_the_Jumper Jul 05 '22 Helpful

Do they have to wait for Rudy to recover after the assassination attempt?

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u/mrg1957 Jul 05 '22

No, but they have to wait for a sober day.

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u/VLHACS Jul 05 '22

Before any conservatives goes "this is a unilateral witch hunt by the Democrats!" remember this is a grand jury where evidence were presented in front of regular civilians, and whom they deemed subpoenas were warranted given what they saw.

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u/jpsreddit85 Jul 05 '22

Think they'll comply?

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u/GuidotheGreater Jul 05 '22

Contempt of Court is a lot more serious than Contempt of Congress.

But the futures for memory loss and pleading the fifth are looking bullish.

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u/hrimfaxi_work Jul 05 '22

Puts on recollection!

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u/ironlobster Jul 05 '22

Lindsey Graham uses 5th, it's very effective!

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u/maquila Jul 05 '22

A grand jury has broad subpoena power and its enforced by the court. If you don't comply, very quickly a bench warrant would be issued for contempt of court.

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u/DylonNotNylon Illinois Jul 05 '22

Probably. They'll just "not recall" about 25% of things and plead the 5th on the rest.

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u/418-Teapot Jul 05 '22

5th

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u/MrMeseeksLookAtMee Canada Jul 05 '22

Sir, this is a Four Seasons Landscaping.

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u/armhat Florida Jul 05 '22

If Lindsey Graham is asking another state to “lose ballots” then isn’t that a pretty decent clue that perhaps he has experience with asking other people to “lose ballots” as well?

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u/polyawn Jul 05 '22

“If we nominate Trump, we will get destroyed… and we will deserve it!” - Lindsey Graham

Oh the irony.

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u/EFT_Syte Jul 05 '22

We already know Giuliani is pretty much fucked (optimistic lol), but getting Graham would be amazing. Fuck around and find out fucking traitors.

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u/Spacebotzero Jul 05 '22 edited Jul 05 '22

"use my words against me" remember when that goof ball said that? I'm glad accountability is making it's way through the cesspool.

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u/Barbarake Jul 05 '22

As a South Carolina democrat, I'm fervently hoping they catch Lindsey "Use my words against me" Graham doing something illegal.

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u/gentleman_bronco Jul 05 '22 Bless Up

Is Rudy even out of the hospital? I thought he was in critical condition from the assault.

/s

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u/khayman5 Jul 05 '22

They've stopped the bleeding and his breathing isn't as labored as it was. Head is still leaking some dark fluid though.

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u/popformulas Jul 05 '22

Came here for the melting hair dye comments

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u/Justice989 Jul 05 '22

You come at our democracy, you best not miss.

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u/verasev Jul 05 '22

Giuliani is no surprise but I'd be surprised if they could pin something on Graham given the thick layer of mucous and slime on Graham's amphibious hide.

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u/FriarNurgle Jul 05 '22

Betcha they start off saying how they’ll be happy to talk about it. Then they’ll start to claim witch-hunt. Then they’ll release a book.

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u/OddAstronaut2305 Jul 05 '22

Uh oh, someone is going to be called, “Nasty.”

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u/spoobles Massachusetts Jul 05 '22

At least now we all know the color of her (the Fulton DA's) skin...I can only assume "low intelligence" will follow from the puckered sphincter of Trump's mouth.

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u/MonkeyPolice Jul 05 '22

Miss Jackson if you please

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u/Pizpot_Gargravaar Jul 05 '22

Good to hear that Lindsey "Use My Words Against Me" Graham is being compelled to have his words be used against him.

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u/Yossarian_the_Jumper Jul 05 '22

I just went to foxnews.com and did a key word search for Rudy, Graham, subpoena, Georgia, Fulton, etc... and absolutely nothing on their front page.

You guys think that Fox is trying to keep their viewers stupid and in the dark?

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u/Daveinatx Jul 05 '22

The only way we get our country back on track is to prosecute all these people. Doesn't matter the party, nobody should be above the law.

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u/Mr_Rabo_Karabekian Jul 05 '22

Georgia on the way to save the country twice in as many years

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u/Ozzya-k-aLethalGlide Jul 05 '22

Isn’t Rudy still recovering in the hospital from that horrific assault? /s

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u/oakstave Jul 05 '22

Has the FBI prepared for GOP terror attacks aimed at stopping the proceedings?

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u/thisisdell Jul 05 '22

Can’t say this enough, FUCK Lindsey Graham! Fucks wrong with the people voting in that state?

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u/DTFlash Jul 05 '22

If anything is going to get Trump the “I just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have,” line from that call is it. That's not him saying to get rid of "illegal" votes, that's him saying steal the election for me.

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u/cheezeyballz Jul 05 '22

I'm afraid to feel any sort of hope anymore.

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u/ianrl337 Oregon Jul 05 '22

I sense a pearl clutching from Washington

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u/FrankieMint Colorado Jul 05 '22

The justice system, whether state or federal, can be compared to a battleship. Huge, lumbering, slow to turn, only motivated by big targets, but when it's pointed at you, Watch Out!

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u/_We_Are_DooMeD Jul 05 '22

Well that's cheered me up.

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u/dopebdopenopepope Jul 05 '22

A grand jury subpoena cannot be shrugged off the like a Congressional subpoena. They WILL be deposed. And what is wise is calling scores to provide information, which makes it much harder to coordinate lies and avoid the Prisoner’s Dilemma.

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u/SlurmsMacKenziee Jul 05 '22

A Senator from South Carolina attempting to influence a neighboring state's election counting? I thought Republicans were all about protecting our borders.